And That’s a Wrap: A Q&A to End Season One

Answering your questions on depression, loving the LGBTQ community, setting boundaries, and making friends.

Answering your questions on depression, loving the LGBTQ community, setting boundaries, and making friends.

We’ve had an incredible 12 episode first season of Life In Motion. If you didn’t know, season one was called “We’ve Got Issues”. During this season, we’ve looked at anxiety, depression, overspending, grief, and so much more, and it’s been an awesome, awesome season. We’ve heard from so many of you about how Jamie and Heather’s stories have made you feel seen, appreciated, and valued. We’ve also heard that it’s time for another Q&A.

During each of our episodes, we say, “LEAVE US A MESSAGE!” And you did! In this final episode of Life In Motion season one, Jamie and Heather listen to your messages and talk about them! It’s a good old Q&A episode.

They talk about depression medication, loving the LGBTQ community, setting boundaries, and making friends! Check it out above.

Four Questions From You

  1. “Jamie, are you looking for the root of your depression?”
  2. “Is there a successful way to minister to the LGBTQ community?”
  3. “What do I do when a friend is lying to me about alcohol addiction?”
  4. “How do you form relationships, friendships, and community?” 

Question: Are you looking at the root cause of your depression?

You may have heard, in our episode on Depression, Jamie talks about being on medication for depression. In this episode, Jamie answers one of our listener’s questions about that episode, “Is she looking for the root cause?” This is such a great question. Jamie responds by opening up again, getting vulnerable, and sharing her own experiences.

Ultimately, she’ll tell you that if you feel similar to her: pursue health. Not just for depression, but your whole life. No matter our health issues, whether mental health or physical health, we have to be walking toward holistic healing. It is not healing that says I want to be “skinny” or “happy,” but the healing that puts our minds and bodies in a place of optimal health because there are people who need you to be in your optimal health.

Question: Is there a successful way to minister to the LGBTQ community?

One of our listeners reached out and asked a simple, honest question, “Is there a successful way to minister to the LGBTQ community?” The answer: of course. Like ministering to any other person, you have to show love, spend time, and build relationships.

Heather and Jamie recommend some books for anyone who wants to love the LGBTQ community better.

The Secret Thoughts of an Unlikely Convert – Rosaria Butterfield
Gay Girl, Good God – Jackie Hill Perry

Question: What do you do when your friend is lying to you about alcohol addiction?

This question is all about boundaries. There is a fine line between loving someone with an addiction and enabling someone with an addiction. Ultimately, you will have to learn your limits, remember that you are not this person’s savior, and continue to push them toward professional help.

In your friendship with someone struggling, you may need to have a conversation where you lay out what you see happening, address the pain, and set some healthy boundaries. You may say something like, “It’s hurting me that this is happening, and it’s hurting our relationship that you’re lying about it.” Remind the person that you’re there for them but be ready to set the boundary. It may be that the person needs to see a counselor or seek professional help before you’ll feel comfortable continuing the relationship. You can help them find a counselor or take the step, but whatever the boundary it needs to be followed through with a consequence.

Setting boundaries is complex. But find freedom in knowing that you are not anyone’s savior and God does not require you to be. Don’t carry a burden that’s not yours to carry. Continue to pray for people, pray for God to show up in their lives, and trust that God is working. Even if it hurts your heart to set a boundary, know that you can trust that God is taking care of it. Set yourself free from the burden.

Question: How do you form relationships, friendships, and community?

There’s no doubt that Heather and Jamie’s friendship is … really special! We could all use a friendship like theirs. One of our listeners reached out and asked about how to make friends and form a lasting relationship like the one Heather and Jamie have. Their answer:

  1. Pray for friends in every area of your life
  2. Be bold and put yourself out there
  3. Remember: not all friendships last forever

We hope you’ve enjoyed this first season of Life In Motion. If you haven’t already, take a minute to subscribe to our emails so you don’t miss news about our next season!

Counseling: What To Expect and When To Go

Okay, so maybe you’ve had the thought, “Should I go to counseling?” But quickly shrugged it off with a “Nahhhh, I already know all my issues. I don’t need someone else to know them.” Or maybe you’ve already made an appointment, but you’re nervous about what to expect. Like, what if you see someone there! 


Okay, so maybe you’ve had the thought, “Should I go to counseling?” But quickly shrugged it off with a “Nahhhh, I already know all my issues. I don’t need someone else to know them.” Or maybe you’ve already made an appointment, but you’re nervous about what to expect. Like, what if you see someone there! 

In this episode of Life In Motion, Heather George and Jamie Jobe talk about what to expect and when to go to counseling. They even talk about helping their children go to counseling and allowing them to confide in someone other than a parent. Listen to the episode! 

“SOMEONE LOOKS AT YOU, LISTENS TO YOU, DOES NOT JUDGE YOU, AND ASKS YOU QUESTIONS THAT REALLY HELP.” 

If you’ve been hesitant about going to counseling, here’s some encouragement for you. There is great relief in being able to share what’s on your heart and mind without judgment and fear. To put it simply, counseling is a safe environment where someone with an outside perspective looks at you, listens to you, does not judge you, and asks you questions that really help. AND they’re professionals, so they have the tools to help you strategize how best to unravel the different parts of your story to find relief from the tensions you’re feeling. 

When should you go to counseling?

Sometimes you might wonder … When is it appropriate to see a counselor? We would answer that by saying, “WHEN IS IT NOT?” Whether big or small, if you’re dealing with something, it’s appropriate to see a counselor about it. Here are 5 signs to look for when considering if it’s time to see a counselor:

  1. Circling the same problem or argument over and over again.
  2. Struggling with confidence, joy, anxiety, depression, or overspending.
  3. rocky relationship with anyone in your life, including coworkers, parents, kids, etc.
  4. You’ve noticed a bad habit from your parents creeping up in you.
  5. You feel a lingering sadness, anger, or numbness.

If you are in a profession that requires you to care for others or carry a weight of responsibility, we urge you to see a counselor several times throughout the year to process what you are carrying at work.

Why can’t you just “LET IT GO” without going to counseling? 

Dealing with the difficulties in life is … Well, difficult. Like most things, you can’t let go of the past, present, and even future issues on your own. The lie of our lives is that you can do it yourself, but the truth is, you can’t. Life is lived in relationship with others and if you’re not processing life with people, you’re probably punishing people and don’t even know it. You can’t just let it go because you don’t know how and no Google search will tell you how. It is something that must be discovered in relationships with others. That’s the beauty of counseling, someone who has the tools to help you let it go, looks at your life with you, and guides you through a personal, custom practice of letting it go. 

5 Pro tips:

So you’re ready to see a counselor? Here are few quick pro tips for you: 

    1. Remember, change takes time.
      Plan to see your counselor multiple times. They will typically suggest how many sessions they recommend during your first meeting. You may see someone a few times and uncover something.
    2. On the subject of time, try to book all your appointments at once.
      We promise you will go to about three sessions, get busy super busy and then forget to schedule an appointment for 3 months.
    3. Create space in your schedule on the day of your first meeting.
      If you can, try to create some time after your first meeting just to sit and process before going back to work or heading home.
    4. Tell someone you’re ready to see a counselor.
      For whatever reason, you will likely decide it’s time to see a counselor and then never make the phone call to set up an appointment. Tell a friend and ask them to make sure you make the call. Don’t keep waiting for the next time you’re struggling; just go.
    5. Bring a journal or a notepad with you.
      Your counselor will likely have some exercises for you to do in between meetings that you’ll want to remember. Or they may use some specific words that help unlock an idea for you. Bring a journal to quickly jot down the things you don’t want to forget about your visit.

It’s okay if you don’t connect with the first counselor you meet with. You may consider meeting with someone once or twice before deciding if you want to meet with them for all of your recommended sessions.

Tulsa area counseling recommendations: 

Cornerstone Christian Counseling 
Hope Forward Counseling & Coaching
Joy Christian Counseling
COPES
Suicide Hotline

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Depression: Bringing to Light the Lingering Sadness

In this episode of Life In Motion, Jamie Jobe opens up and brings to light her story with major depressive disorder. 

For some, depression creeps up seasonally. In the winter or when we’re away from people (like we were during quarantine). For others, though, depression is a part of every moment. It’s a lingering sadness that shows itself through slight aggravation, lashing out, and lethargy. 

In this episode of Life In Motion, Jamie Jobe opens up and brings to light her story with major depressive disorder. 

“THERE’S ALWAYS AN UNDERLYING FEELING OF SADNESS”

Many people distract themselves with activity, work, or helping others to cope with the feelings of depression. But if you slow down long enough, there’s always an underlying feeling of sadness. It’s heartbreaking to realize that what you’re feeling is not normal. So, what do you do? 

Addressing Depression Physically

Jamie shares a few of the ways she’s physically taking steps with her depression. Here’s what she recommends:

Change your diet

The nutrients you get (or don’t get) from food can directly impact your mental health. Changing your diet might look like cutting out caffeine, carbs, fried food, etc. Look at starting by cutting down on eating out. 

Limit your screen time 

Limiting screen time is an essential but challenging discipline for a lot of people. Whether it’s a TV, a phone, or a laptop, your screen has more of an impact on you than you think. Limit your screen time, replace it with physical activity, and see how you feel after. 

Addressing it Spiritually


Talking to someone may be the best thing for you spiritually. If you are struggling with depression that is holding you back from everyday life or seasonal depression that creeps up now and then, we encourage you to talk to someone about how you’re feeling. Here are few resources to help get you started:

Counseling Services
COPES
Suicide Hotline

In this episode, Jamie shares a message from Chris Hodges that helped her. Here is a link to that message. 

This episode may be one of the most vulnerable and open episodes of Life In Motion yet. If you identified with anything Jamie said, or if you have some follow-up questions, leave her and Heather a voicemail: 1-539-215-9432

Every season, Heather and Jamie set aside episodes to listen to your voicemails and respond to them. 

Lost Dreams: How to recognize, embrace, and grieve them well.

In this episode of Life in Motion, Heather and Jamie discuss the loss of dreams; recognizing and coping with them, and how to properly grieve them.

In this episode of Life in Motion, Heather and Jamie discuss the loss of dreams; recognizing and coping with them, and how to properly grieve them.

Heather recalls a story where she wanted to wear a feather boa out on a date with Whit one night when they were in college. But Whit, being introverted and not wanting to draw attention, told her he wouldn’t go out with her if she wore the boa, so she took it off. That moment marked and changed her because she unintentionally set herself aside and lost part of her fun and carefree self in the giving up of her feather boa.

For Jamie, her dream loss came in the form of giving up a career in a field she really loved. Although she wanted to do media relations for a sports team, her career severely pivoted when she became a believer and started to sense the call of God to pursue working at a church. However, it was the loss of that dream that saved her marriage and made her into the woman God has called her to be.

Have you set yourself aside instead of embracing who God has called you to be?

Maybe you’re like Heather and you had a moment in your past that marked you, and you lost of a piece of who you were. Take some time to recall and truly embrace who you are. Be fully who God has created and called you to be! Have you tried for years to be who you thought others wanted you to be, and trying to meet unrealistic expectations of yourself? Here is your permission to be your whole, authentic self because it’s who God made you to be.

For Jamie, she needed to lose her dream because her dream wasn’t rooted in what God had for her. Her ambitions in career were motivated by fame, money, and success. Gods plan for her was to lay those dreams down for a higher calling, and maybe that’s true for you too. But that often comes with grieving the loss of your dream.

Grieving the loss of your dream

It can be difficult to pinpoint your “feather boa moment” or to fully recognize the dream that was lost. Whether it be a lost relationship, infertility, a hope or expectation of where you would be in life by now, it’s vital to acknowledge that a dream was lost and needs to be properly grieved.

So, how do we grieve the loss of a dream? Let God be God in your life. Allow His spirit to enter in and transform you from the inside out. Don’t pretend like it never happened, because that will only cause the grief to multiply. Instead, give it to God and be honest with Him. And finally, don’t do life alone. The pain of walking through the grief in the loss of your dream is real, but you’re not alone. Share with your friends, community, small group, or a professional counselor. God is so good, and there is hope on the other side of your lost dream.

Call in to leave a voicemail: 1-539-215-9432

Heather and Jamie are committed to helping you and meeting you where you are. No question or comment is off-limits, so call in to leave a voicemail if you want to chat with us!

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Read last week’s blog: Questions about Parenting and Pornography

Questions on Parenting and Pornography

Heather and Jamie love to bring people together. So naturally, their podcast is a place where they want to do the same. Every season, we set aside episodes to hear from YOU and answer your questions—this is one of those episodes. 

Heather and Jamie love to bring people together. So naturally, their podcast is a place where they want to do the same. Every season, we set aside episodes to hear from YOU and answer your questions—this is one of those episodes. 

In this episode, Heather and Jamie listen to voicemails from you and respond to your thoughts. They answer questions about the best time for kids to start dating and what to do when your spouse has a pornography addiction. 

Question One: When is the best time for your kids to start dating? 

What a great question! On the one hand, dating can help your children better understand how to have relationships with people, gain experience in navigating relationships with other people’s families, and better understand the opposite sex. But on the other hand, a breakup can be devastating, break up friend groups, and hurt your kids. So what should you do? Heather and Jamie explore the topic of when kids should start dating in-depth.

Question Two: What should you do if your significant other struggles with porn? 

When we hear about pornography addiction, we often hear from the person struggling, but what about their spouse? How did they handle it? How did they support their spouse? What would they have done differently? In this episode, Heather shares her experience navigating the tensions and heartbreak of porn in marriage. 

Questions? Leave us a voicemail: 1-539-215-9432.

Have a question you want discussed on Life In Motion? Want to share your thoughts on a specific topic? We’d love to hear from you! Every season, we set aside episodes to hear from YOU and answer your questions. Use the number above to leave Heather and Jamie a voicemail—your question might be on our next Q&A episode.

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Listen to more from Life In Motion: Porn is the Problem.

What do you do with grief?

In this episode of Life In Motion, Heather and Jamie share their personal stories of grief, how they drifted through it, and how they eventually got to the other side of it.

In this episode of Life In Motion, Heather and Jamie share their personal stories of grief, how they drifted through it, and how they eventually got to the other side of it.

Heather lost her mother when she was in her early twenties. Her mother was diagnosed with cancer, and Heather dropped out of college to care for her. She was her mother’s primary caregiver when the Doctors said there was nothing more they could do for her.

Jamie was believing for a miracle. She had people praying with her for the birth of her baby. But at 27 and a half weeks, Jamie’s baby passed away just a few days short of the doctors being willing to deliver her baby early to try to help her.

What do you do with grief?

That’s what Heather and Jamie are talking about in this episode. For some, grief is immediate, fully intense. For others, you feel like you’re drifting through life, not fully anchored to anything. Whichever side you’re on, grief is not necessarily something that you experience, and then it’s gone; it’s something that you experience, you heal from, and you carry the scars forever. And sometimes, it creeps back up.

So, what do you do with grief? What do you do when you don’t believe that God is good anymore? When you’re angry? How do you heal when you’re drifting? In this episode, Heather and Jamie discuss how they experienced grief, questioned God, and began to heal. 

Don’t be afraid of your feelings.

If you want to tackle your loss, there’s no way out but through. There’s no way to make it to the other side without going through all the emotion, without going through the pain, without really looking at it and dealing with it.

You’ve already lived the most painful part of losing somebody or something. In this world, that loss of the physical person is so hard to accept and come to terms with that you’ve already probably experienced the most challenging part, and now acknowledging those feelings, as painful and as scary as they might be, is the next step. Maybe you’re afraid because you don’t process emotion well… You are not alone in this. 

Share your Grief with God.

Many of us have such high honor and esteem for God (which we should) that it ends up preventing us from being completely real with Him. Our love for Him was never meant to separate us from Him.

When you pour your true self out to Him, He will come into that space and not condemn you or even correct you.

Bring your hurt, your disappointment, your anger to God.

Leave us a voicemail: 1-539-215-9432.

Heather and Jamie love to bring people together. So naturally, their podcast is a place where they want to do the same. Every season, we set aside episodes to hear from YOU and talk about YOUR thoughts. In each episode, you’ll hear Heather and Jamie mention their voicemail inbox; that’s where they hear from you!

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Read more from Life In Motion: Porn is the Problem.

“Busy” is No Badge of Honor

Being busy is an issue underneath so many problems in our lives. We’re trained to fill our time. We wear “busy” as a badge of honor, but we have to learn to surrender our schedules if we want to love others well. In this episode, Jamie and Heather explore hurry and how you can slow down to love your friends and family well.

If you have 15 minutes between meetings, or classes, or tasks, do you fill those 15 minutes up? Think about the last free time you had … did you return some emails? Scroll Instagram? Start a new task list? Instead of filling your free time, you took that time to quiet your mind and think about how you can love people and contribute generously to whatever might be coming next.

BEING HURRIED IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH A TRUE RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS.

When we look at Jesus’ life, we see Him slowed down and ready to embrace the people He encounters each day. Being hurried is incompatible with a real relationship with Jesus. To call yourself a follower of Christ, you have to surrender the “busyness” badge of honor and follow His life model.

We are running on fumes, and we’re not getting anything more accomplished. Instead, we end up missing the people right in front of us—our family, our friends, our spouses.

Six Daily Resources

When you fill your schedule, you miss the people in your life that are the most important. In this episode of Life in Motion, Heather and Jamie talk about how we all have the same six resources to divide throughout the day/week: 

1. Time
2. Money
3. Relationships
4. Energy
5. Thoughts
6. Emotions

Do you have the bandwidth, the time in your schedule to manage each of these resources well? Or are you too busy? Each of the resources above is a gift, and you get to choose where you give them. Where are you going to spend your resources this week? Join Heather and Jamie as they have a conversation about schedules, feeling hurried, and wearing the “busyness” badge of honor.

Leave us a voicemail: 1-539-215-9432.

Heather and Jamie love to bring people together. So naturally, their podcast is a place where they want to do the same. Every season, we set aside episodes to hear from YOU and talk about YOUR thoughts. In each episode, you’ll hear Heather and Jamie mention their voicemail inbox; that’s where they hear from you!

Subscribe to Life In Motion on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple Podcasts. 

Read more from Life In Motion: Porn is the Problem.

Porn Is the Problem Pt. 2

Pornography brings about pain.  It destroys marriages, places expectations and judgments on bodies, takes away the sanctity and beauty of sex within a marriage, and it brings children into a world of temptation and addiction well before their time. Our children, ultimately, are the ones who pay the price of porn, unless we protect them. But how?


Porn is no fringe topic affecting only some people. The Huffington post reported that, p
ornography websites receive more traffic and visitors every month than Netflix, Twitter, and Amazon combined. According to Forbes, 11 is the average age that a child is first exposed to porn, and 94% of children will see porn by the age of 14.

11 IS THE AVERAGE AGE THAT A CHILD IS EXPOSED TO PORN.

For the sake of our futures, our marriages, and our kids … something has got to change.  So what do we do?

Knowing that this is a prevalent problem, and not an easy one to talk about, it’s especially important to have the tools for these conversations. In this week’s episode, Heather George and Jamie Jobe discuss how pornography is impacting our children, families, and communities and what to do about it.

Join them as they have a real conversation about their personal experiences and  loving ways to support friends and family when it comes to quitting porn.

Leave us a voicemail: 1-539-215-9432.

Heather and Jamie love to bring people together. So naturally, their podcast is a place where they want to do the same. Every season, we set aside episodes to hear from YOU and talk about YOUR thoughts. In each episode, you’ll hear Heather and Jamie mention their voicemail inbox; that’s where they hear from you!

Resources & Next Steps

Learn the brain science behind porn use and how you can quit for good in The Porn Circuit by Covenant Eyes. 
• Watch Intimacy over Pornography from Church on the Move.

If you’re in the Tulsa area, text “OVER IT” to 23101 for a pastor to connect with you. They’ll help you get connected to a community of people facing this challenge together.
Struggling with Anxiety?

Read more from Life In Motion here.

Porn Is the Problem Pt. 1

Pornography brings about pain.  It destroys marriages, places expectations and judgments on bodies, takes away the sanctity and beauty of sex within a marriage, and it brings children into a world of temptation and addiction well before their time. Our children, ultimately, are the ones who pay the price of porn, unless we protect them. But how?


Porn is no fringe topic affecting only some people. The Huffington post reported that, p
ornography websites receive more traffic and visitors every month than Netflix, Twitter, and Amazon combined. According to Forbes, 11 is the average age that a child is first exposed to porn, and 94% of children will see porn by the age of 14.

11 IS THE AVERAGE AGE THAT A CHILD IS EXPOSED TO PORN.

For the sake of our futures, our marriages, and our kids … something has got to change.  So what do we do?

Knowing that this is a prevalent problem, and not an easy one to talk about, it’s especially important to have the tools for these conversations. In this week’s episode, Heather George and Jamie Jobe discuss how pornography is impacting our children, families, and communities and what to do about it.

Join them as they have a real conversation about their personal experiences and  loving ways to support friends and family when it comes to quitting porn.

Leave us a voicemail: 1-539-215-9432.

Heather and Jamie love to bring people together. So naturally, their podcast is a place where they want to do the same. Every season, we set aside episodes to hear from YOU and talk about YOUR thoughts. In each episode, you’ll hear Heather and Jamie mention their voicemail inbox; that’s where they hear from you!

Resources & Next Steps

Learn the brain science behind porn use and how you can quit for good in The Porn Circuit by Covenant Eyes. 
• Watch Intimacy over Pornography from Church on the Move.

If you’re in the Tulsa area, text “OVER IT” to 23101 for a pastor to connect with you. They’ll help you get connected to a community of people facing this challenge together.
Struggling with Anxiety?

Read more from Life In Motion here.

$hopping, $pending & $atisfaction

With Venmo, Apple Pay, PayPal, Amazon, and buy online/pick up in store, it’s never been easier to spend, to buy, to find satisfaction in something other than God. You probably find yourself buying things or even just filling an online basket when you’re angry or bored or frustrated or feeling less than. Maybe you’re used to spending a lot of time on social media but all the negativity has had you stop scrolling Facebook and start scrolling through Amazon.

Jamie Jobe from Life in Motion: Shopping, Spending, Satisfaction

You’re probably thinking … “not me, this is for someone else” but those three identical shirts in your closet say otherwise.

Our desires are to feel satisfied more than to feel whole. So, we spend, feel happy for a while, and then start spending again. We walk the fine line of having stuff and stuff having us. We think that a better job, more money, better kids, a nicer spouse, or a new car will give us satisfaction, and the truth is it does, but it doesn’t last.

A good way to tell if your desires are in the wrong place is to ask yourself:
• Where do I look for security?
• Where do I look for satisfaction?

Learn more from Church on the Move’s teaching: Contentment OVER Materialism.

Shifting your desires …

What if when you go to spend on Amazon or start filling your cart, you stop and practice gratitude? Instagram, Facebook, Pinterest, stir up discontent in you and the best way to combat that is to be thankful. When you’re grateful for your kids and what you see in them, not only does it bring out joy and gratitude for them and who they are, but it causes you to be a better parent because it changes your focus from all of the things that they are doing wrong to what is so good about them. And the same is true for every area of life. 

“WHEN YOU GO TO SCROLL, STOP, AND PRACTICE GRATITUDE.”

If you’re going to change something you can’t eliminate or decide not to, or roll up your sleeves and say, “I’m going to be better,” you have to replace something. And so we’re just choosing to replace the striving and the working so hard to be happy with gratitude for where we are. 

Challenge: If you turn to stuff for security and ratification instead of God, commit to a season of intentional gratitude. For 7-days, take time to write down each day 7 things that you’re grateful for. 

Leave us a voicemail: 1-539-215-9432.

Heather and Jamie love to bring people together. So naturally, their podcast is a place where they want to do the same. Every season, we set aside episodes to hear from YOU and talk about YOUR thoughts. In each episode, you’ll hear Heather and Jamie mention their voicemail inbox; that’s where they hear from you!

Read more from Life In Motion.